FYLDE MOUNTAINEERING CLUB MINUTES OF THE 59th ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING, 25th FEBRUARY 2009. HELD AT THE RIVER WYRE HOTEL, POULTON. 19.30
The following members signed in
Les Ward, Chris Moylan, Mike Howe, Phil Caley, Tim Worral, Chris Bell, Mick Dugdale, Darren Hartley, Adam Dunderdale, Dave Earle, Cherry Earle, Barrie Crook, Alan Lovett, Angela Lovett, Steve Wrigley, Martin Dale, Andy Hird, Derrick Smith, Clive Bell, John Wiseman, June Wiseman, Alan Bell, John Hickman, Mike Parkinson, Karen Barker, Peter Roscoe, Geoff Bellingham, Phil Kendrick, Kevan Ebbrell.
Apologies for absence
David Ward, Nick Harrison, George James, Caroline Webb, John Denmark, Sue Denmark, Carole Penn, Mike Penn, Pam Ruthven, Jennie Tolley, Dave Westby, Liz Hird, Rosie Lovett, Andy Dunhill, Christine Barbier, ChrisThistlethwaite, Don Nichol, George Parker, Frank Lord, Henry Iddon, Kevin Stephenson, Chris Packman, Dorothy Jowett, John Stockton, Del Stockton, Claire Addy, Rachel Bell, Stuart Sykes.
Matters Arising from the Minutes of the 2008 AGM
There where no matters arising and the Minutes were accepted. Proposer: Mike Howe, Seconder: Andy Hird.
Chairmans AddressMeets and other events had generally been well attended with food meets continuing to attract more than the average attendance. The porch at Stair had at long last been completed and was already proving its worth, the News Letter had made a welcome reappearance and had been well received by everyone. Clive thanked the committee and everyone else for their efforts on the clubs behalf throughout the past year. Chairmans Report was accepted, Proposer: Dave Earle, Seconder: Angela Lovett. Secretarys Report was accepted, Proposer: Andy Hird, Seconder: Cherry Earle.
Treasurers Report & Balance Sheet was accepted, Proposer: Barrie Crook, Seconder: Alan Lovett.
Booking Secretarys Report was accepted, Proposer: John Wiseman, Seconder: Andy Hird.
Membership Secretarys Report was accepted, Proposer: Dave Earle, Seconder: Geoff Bellingham.
Stair Custodians Report was accepted, Proposer: Chris Bell, Seconder: John Wiseman.
Little Langdale Custodians Report was accepted, Proposer: Andy Hird, Seconder: Alan Lovett.
Social Secretarys Report No report submitted, vacant position.
Newsletter Editors Report No report submitted.
Motions which require a vote The following motions were accepted by the meeting.
1. Amendment to Rule 4 Subscriptions (Para a). Rule to read -There shall be an entrance fee of £5. The annual subscription is due on 1st October and shall be paid no later than 31st October. Anyone in arrears after that date will incur an additional charge of £10. Members in arrears after 31st of December will have their membership revoked without further notice and would have to re-apply for membership and pay the entrance fee.
Originally proposed by Mike Howe and seconded by Kevan Ebbrell, with amendments at the meeting proposed by John Wiseman and John Hickman, seconded by Dave Earle.
2. Revised members hut fees (Rule 17). Overnight hut fees rise immediately to £3 for members, £6 for guests (day and junior rates remain unchanged).
Proposed by Mike Howe and seconded by Kevan Ebbrell.
3. Amendment to Rule 5 Officials and Committee. The Whats On Editor be elevated to that of club official.
Proposed by Kevan Ebbrell and seconded by Geoff Bellingham.
The following Officers were electedPosition Applicant Proposer Seconder
Chairman Clive Bell John Hickman Chris Bell
Vice Chairman Darren Hartley Mike Howe John Wiseman
Secretary Kevan Ebbrell John Wiseman Chris Bell
Treasurer Mike Howe Kevan Ebbrell Andy Hird
Booking Secretary Chris Thistlethwaite Martin Dale Mike Howe
Membership Secretary Martin Dale Andy Hird John Wiseman
Stair Custodian(s) Andy Dunhill Chris Bell John Wiseman
Little Langdale Ctdn Chris Bell Kevan Ebbrell Darren Hartley
Social Secretary Dave Earle Mike Howe John Wiseman
Newsletter Editor Caroline Webb Darren Hartley John Hickman
Webmaster Dave Ball Martin Dale Kevan Ebbrell
Honorary Auditor John Hickman Kevan Ebbrell John Wiseman
The following Committee Members were electedApplicant Proposer Seconder
Adam Dunderdale Mike Howe Clive Bell
Andy Hird Alan Lovett Darren Hartley
Chris Packman Dave Earle Geoff Bellingham
Mick Dugdale Darren Hartley Martin Dale
Future Club Policy
- At the 2008 AGM there had been a discussion on the subject of a pitched roof and associated costs for the Stair hut, this resulted in a resolution that the committee give consideration to the various options and come up with more accurate costing. The committee considered this matter at the committee meeting held on 29th of April 2008 at which Chris Bell and Andy Hird agreed to compile a report to be presented to the 2009 AGM. The report, a copy of which is appended to these minutes, was made available to those attending the AGM and a discussion on its content ensued. The discussion very much centred around the need to have versus the nice to have and concluded with a show of hands on what was thought to be the best option for the future, a flat roof or a pitched roof. The result was unanimously for the flat roof.
Chris and Andy were thanked for the report and the work they had done on the
Stair porch project.
It was suggested that the committee ensure that sufficient funds are available for when a new roof is required.
Any Other Business
- Dave Earle requested confirmation that we will continue to use the River Wyre Hotel for our Winter socials and that we stick to the usual dates etc. Dave also asked if we still wanted a Photo Competition. The answer to both was yes but it was thought that the photo competition be restricted to digital pictures only, no prints.
- At Dave Earles request a brief discussion took place on whether we needed to upgrade to a better digital projector. Given that the projector had only run for approx 24 hours since new and that most people thought it good enough for our needs it was considered that we do not need a new projector.
- Steve Wrigley advised the meeting that there was a new bunkhouse at Clapham and his desire to use it for a Caving meet.
- Steve Wrigley suggested that popular meets where there is limited availability should be subject to a lottery as to who could attend and a deposit being required as often there were people who ended up dropping out at the last minute leaving others who could go being disappointed. The consensus was that it was up to the meet co-ordinator to manage the bookings, however the committee should give consideration to the requirement for a deposit when booking for meets at other than club premises.
- Dave Earle requested confirmation of the date for the 2010 AGM. This was confirmed as being Wednesday the 24th of February.
- Martin Dale made a request for volunteers to attend the Meet The FMC event to be held at Blackpool Climbing Wall, Stanley Park on the evening of Wednesday 22nd of April. Ideally we want representatives of a variety of pursuits e.g. Climbing, Walking, Biking, Canoeing etc.
- Barry Crook asked if there were any plans to celebrate the clubs 60th which was nearly upon us, to which the chairman replied that the committee would give the matter consideration. It was also noted that Stair was 40 years old this year and that the committee would give consideration to how this should be celebrated.
- Clive Bell requested suggestions/volunteers for meets for the 2009/10 Syllabus and that anyone wishing to contribute should contact him or any committee member.
- Peter Roscoe expressed his concern that at the last annual dinner there were honorary life members present who were not in possession of either a presentation goblet or tankard to mark their status. The chairman replied that it was not clear when or how such a custom had originated as not all of the honorary life members were aware of it let alone the rest of the club membership. However this matter would be given consideration by the committee.
Minutes compiled by Kevan Ebbrell.(Appendix 1 – Stair Roof Report) Fylde Mountaineering Club, Stair Hut, Stair, Keswick Option Appraisal ~ Renewal of existing flat roof
Prepared: February 2009 by Chris Bell and Andy Hird.Background
Following the AGM of 2008 the committee have been asked to investigate the options available for re-roofing the Stair Hut.
This summary is based on a technical appraisal and does not consider aspects of finance and risk associated with any of the proposed options.Existing Roof
The existing construction appears to be of timber softwood joists, chipboard decking with a built up felt flat roof covering with bonded limestone chippings. The current insulation material is not known however if any is provided it is considered to be minimal.
The life span of the roof cannot be clearly ascertained however it is envisaged that full replacement may be needed within the next 5 to 10 years. It must be acknowledged that the roof does not currently display any significant defects.Technical options Option 1 ~ Flat Roof
Replacement of existing felt roof covering to meet current building regulation standards and thermal performance requirements.
Typically this would comprise an elastomeric felt built-up roof system; comprising three layers of polyester based felt and polyisocyanurate insulation board.
Alternatively, a single layer roofing membrane may be provided in lieu of elastomeric felt.Budget Cost £9,000 plus VAT
Alternatively the roof lends itself to a standing seam roof system however planning restrictions in the Lake District National Park may preclude this.Budget Cost £14,500 plus VAT Option 2 ~ Green Flat Roof
To achieve a more environmental solution consideration may be given to the provision of a green sedum-type roof finish, achieving similar performance to option one with a more sympathetic appearance.Budget Cost £17,000 plus VAT
Option 3 ~ Pitched Roof
The provision of a new pitched roof structure presents three main alternatives:
a) Simple pitched roof conversion with no potential for future development or utilisation of 1st floor accommodation.
b) Provision of pitched roof structure with potential for future 1st floor accommodation.
c) Pitched roof conversion with significant alterations to ground floor level and development of first floor accommodation.
If additional accommodation is required in the future, to increase the amount and quality of interior space, the costs involved in alternative A render this the least economic in the long term.
Alternatives B and C provide the best long term economic solution if additional space and improved accommodation is required.Budget Cost, alternative A ~ £35,000 plus VAT Budget Cost, alternative B ~ £56,000 plus VAT Budget Cost, alternative C ~ £90,000 plus VAT (subject to final design and specification)
NOTE: All option 3 scenarios would attract additional costs for professional and statutory fees.